Skins Outsmart Other NFL Teams; Acquire Erasmus James

Not to change the subject, but if the 'Skins want to be really smart, if Brett Fabrege' retires (ha!ha!), the Vikes could take Jason C. for draft picks to be named later.

Ian you're just silly. It's not like anyone's saying "Oh gee. We have Erasmus James. Our defensive line problems are all fixed!" You pointed out our DE's were a black hole. Now it's a black hole plus James. We're better off for it. If we passed on some other player that would have been better, then you might have an argument. But I don't think anyone is assuming he'll succeed. There's a big difference between hoping and assuming.

Just kidding, but I wouldn't doubt it. He is pretty much saying though that he wants to go to a winning team, so I would first think of New England. Dallas doesn't need him, but I am sure he could be had in Dallas for less $$$ just because his long time pal Zach Thomas is here now. I am thinking a third round pick tops, unless another team drives up the bargain. Then again, with him only wanting to play one more year, I don't really see it being a bargain. June 1st is upon us. There will be some good stuff to talk (trades) this week. Seriously though, I think Taylor may just hang em' up though ya'll. I would love to see him go somewhere and succeed as long as it is not in the NFC East(unless it is the Cowboys, but we really don't need him) just to put the stupid face on coach Sparano. He(Sparano) went to Miami with a real cocky attitude, and I can see why Taylor doesn't want to play there. Nobody does.

HE's going to New England.

redskinsguy........I have one of my crackerjack reporters working on a hot story now. The only information I am allowed to give at this time is the title of the story: How I Turned a Million In Real Estate Into $25 Dollars In Cash.

Also, We would like to apologize for misquoting Jim Mora. We should have said: "We suck! Playoffs, PLAYOFFS? Don't talk about PLAYOFFS. Taylor is a good player but not good enough to get us to the PLAYOFFS. The rumors are a bunch of diddly-poo..." We are committed to excellence in journalism and regret that our staff writer got this wrong. In his defense however, when our senior staff editors heard the tape we all agreed that no disciplinary action will be taken against the writer. We can understand how easily his typing skills were impaired due to the hilarious rant of Mr. Mora. The editor in no way condones the sue of the phrase "diddly-poo."

Well since I am not privy to the negotiation talks concerning Taylor I stated what I would at least consider. I am not suggesting that we call up Parcels and just offer a 2nd and or more for him. Would I do a 3rd and a 6th? Absolutely! Or a 4th and 5th....yes again. Certainly I would try for less, I am just stating what my limits might be. I am all for getting something for nothing, two examples of that are the Mike Oliphant for Ernest Byner (straight up) and Jay Schroeder for Jim Lachey and a 5th round pick (that turned out too later become Brian Mitchell. The trade for James has this same type effect here, we either get a guy that can help us for practically nothing, or we get nothing and give up nothing in return. There is no risk here in this trade. Some who post comments in here are ill informed and have no fact to back up their remarks, others are simply drunken fools. To avoid further embarrassment, I won't point out any names.
You already know who you are, that is shame enough!

The risk is the fact that you are banking on James to produce. If he doesn't you will have problems.

I actually think that if you take some of the venom out of Ian's post he's not that far off the mark. The Redskins don't have a huge black hole, but they have a very average to below average defensive line.

It was a hole that we failed to address in the draft because we weren't impressed with the DE's that were available to us and we tried to fill some other holes instead.

So we take a flyer on a high risk-high reward player. Only, it's not a risk to us because if he doesn't pan out, nothing is lost at all. How is it taking a huge risk Ian? We are no worse off than we were before the trade and we have a chance of being significantly (or hell, even marginally) better than we were. It's a smart move given the situation.

I guess you could criticize their draft selection, but again, given where they were drafting a DE would have been a huge reach for them. Overall I like what they're doing and I applaud them for it.

It's a bad move, because the Redskins have HUGE BLACK HOLE at DE. Outside of Carter all their DE's suck. They don't sign anybody, and then they take 3 offensive players with the first 3 picks in the draft. The Redskins needed to get at least 3 new DE's and they get one huge stiff in Erasmus James. I understand it didn't cost you mush at all, but your team is taking a huge risk in hoping that this terrible player can somehow become good. This move signifies the failure of the franchise to acquire a legit defensive end, and they have to basically make a desperate panic move for a reject player.

I love the quotes! That's some great stuff! Keep 'em coming!

You make some good points too. I'm not sure I'd want to give up a 2nd round pick for Taylor though, much less a 2nd round pick and a player. I could see a 3rd rounder MAYBE. I'd love to have him for a 4th rounder or less. I think the Dolphins are going to have to lower their price considerably to get any takers. They don't have a lot of leverage here and we really don't want to give up our big draft picks for a player who will only be there for a few years at best.

Another conditional trade where it's a 4th but can get higher if he makes the pro bowl or something might work. It all depends on how reasonable Parcells will be.

It worries me that Jason Taylor has openly stated that his acting/dancing career is more important to him right now than football. I don't want to get a player who's just going to mail it in and cash a paycheck.

Some notable quotes from around the league on the services of Jason Taylor from coaches or GM's past and present:

Mike Ditka, "He a great player, I'd give up my entire draft to obtain him..."

Mike Lynn, (former Vikings GM) "Let's face it, giving up 8 draft picks and 4 players for Herschel Walker didn't work out very good for us. Let me try, I know I could get it right this time around. He's good enough to get us over the top. Don't hold that trade against me forever, I deserve the chance to get it right..."

Mike Tice, "We'll use up all of our time considering our options and in the end forfeit our chance to trade for him. There is a method to our madness..."

Bill Belichick, "We're highly interested in his services, we have a lot of film that we have studied on him and the Dolphins defense scheme. We believe that Jason would keep our proud tradition going strong..."

Jim Mora, "He sucks! Playoffs, PLAYOFFS? Don't talk about Jason Taylor will not help to get us to the PLAYOFFS. The rumors are a bunch of diddly -poo."

Dennis Green, "He is who we thought he is. We could have had him, and we let him off the hook..."

We tried to Get a reaction for Jerry Jones, but his secretary said he was out of the office bailing Nate Newton, Michael Irvin, Hollywood Henderson and a crack whore out of jail.

Personally, I think this is a good move. We traded for what amounts to a '72 Pinto and a bag of Doritos. We built in protection in case he is not able to make the team. Clearly, he had talent prior to his injuries, so what is not to like about the trade?

Don't forget the possible option to put hom on the PUP (Physically Unable to Perform) list in case we feel he is not ready to play football this year. Palermo knows this guy and has a history with him. I am quite sure that if James was a slacker in his days at Wisconcin, that Palermo would have alerted Cerrato to not pull the trigger on him. Surely they talked prior to trade talks about the guy.

Give the front office some credit for some clever maneuvering, and let's hope that he is healthy, and will regain his form.

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Something is about to happen (perhaps even this week) about Jason Taylor. Taylor would look very good in Burgundy and Gold. I know we must be trying to make a play for him. We know that at least 2 of our division rivals (Philadelphia, Dallas) have interest in him. I for one would rather him be playing for us than against us.

From the Dolphins standpoint, there is no better team to trade him to than an NFC east team. Miami will not face an NFC East team again until 2011. Taylor probably will not be playing football in 2011 so they would not have to face any extra motivation directed to their QB. Taylor is still a solid Defensive End/LB. We would be able a incorporate him into our system to utilize his skills effectively, and he is as good or better than any pass rushers we currently have on our team. He appears as though he still has 2 or 3 years of competitive football left in him.

If I were Vinny, I would not be willing to give a 1st Rd. pick up, but I would consider a 2nd and perhaps a player or even an additional lower pick. I have no way of knowing what the Dolphins want to him, but we clearly have talent that they could use in conjunction with a pick that could help them immediately and in the future. Taylor's skills would benefit immediately as well.

I am not suggesting that we give up the farm to him, But I want us to at least be a player in those talks. I am curious to see other's opinions on this.
As always, Hail to the Redskins!

Personally, I think this is a good move. We traded for what amounts to a '72 Pinto and a bag of Doritos. We built in protection in case he is not able to make the team. Clearly, he had talent prior to his injuries, so what is not to like about the trade?

Don't forget the possible option to put hom on the PUP (Physically Unable to Perform) list in case we feel he is not ready to play football this year. Palermo knows this guy and has a history with him. I am quite sure that if James was a slacker in his days at Wisconcin, that Palermo would have alerted Cerrato to not pull the trigger on him. Surely they talked prior to trade talks about the guy.

Give the front office some credit for some clever maneuvering, and let's hope that he is healthy, and will regain his form.

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Something is about to happen (perhaps even this week) about Jason Taylor. Taylor would look very good in Burgundy and Gold. I know we must be trying to make a play for him. We know that at least 2 of our division rivals (Philadelphia, Dallas) have interest in him. I for one would rather him be playing for us than against us. From the Dolphins standpoint, there is no better team to trade him to than an NFC east team. Miami will not face an NFC East team again until 2011. Taylor probably will not be playing football in 2011 so they would not have to face any extra motivation directed to their QB. Taylor is still a solid Defensive End/LB. As good or better than any pass rushers we have currently on our team. He appears as though he still has 2 or 3 years of competitive football left in him. If I were Vinny, I would not be willing to give a 1st Rd. pick up, but I would consider a 2nd and perhaps a player or even an additional lower pick. I have no way of knowing what the Dolphins want to him, but we clearly have talent that they would use in conjunction with a pick that could help them immediately and in the future as well. Taylor's skills would benefit immediately as well.

I am not suggesting that we give up the farm to him, But I want us to at least be a player in those talks. I am curious to see others opinions on this.
As always, Hail to the Redskins!

That's exactly right. Even if it doesn't pan out, we lose nothing. More important (at least right now)than the particulars of the trade is the fact that the trade happened. It's the fact that several other teams wanted him and we stole him from them. Our front office did something that was very smart and, in the wake of past disasters (Archuletta anyone? Brandon Lloyd?) it's nice to see a positive trend here. Our team has a history of trading big for big names; I like the new trend of trading small but smart.

I don't mean to change the subject RG. As far as James goes though, (and I think you have missed the point Ian) the TRADE was good. RG is like me, he is optimistic about things(players) panning out. There is no risk in the trade you see. If it doesn't work out, I don't think anyone will think too much about it. That was the point he was trying to make.

I don't understand the bandwagon guys either RG, and I can respect the fact that you guys are loyal fans. We are loyal fans in the toughest division in the NFL right now. 3 teams in this division made the playoffs last year, and I don't see a lot of change there in the near future. I share your thoughts with the Boston teams though, but like you say, if these guys are truly loyal to the Patriots (I don't think too many are) , then I guess these guys have waited long enough to get there. They have sucked since the beginning up until lately. The Red Sox are a different story though. They have a loyal fan base I am sure, but every time I have gone to a game here to see the Rangers play them, I see the same thing. A bunch of no class coaches and players. I've even seen one of the coaches for Boston climb the fence only to be slapped by a woman in my section during batting practice. One of the fans made one comment and this ass went ballistic. That sticks in my mind I guess, I mean hell, it happened over 10 years ago but every time I go see them play I see the same thing. No class players and coaches. See, that's one thing that is different in Texas than in Boston. Baseball is a very family oriented sport here. Someone tries to start a fight or just has a foul mouth that they can't keep shut then they are gone. I love baseball. I love watching the games, and I love playing too. To tell you the truth, I am probobly a bigger Rangers fan than a Cowboys fan. That's the truth.

Steam: Actually the "Hell no" was about the concept of him being a Red Sox fan, because, as I mentioned, I'm starting to dislike Boston sports teams a little. People can follow whatever team they want. Not everyone gets into sports at the same time, the only thing I ask is that you don't switch around to whatever team is currently hot. As long as you have a team and stick to it, you're a good and loyal fan in my book.

Erasmus James sucks. Stop hyping up this bum.

You know, it's funny that Dan is a Cowboys fan and a Braves fan (Dallas TX, and Atlanta GA) Yet you put the HELL NO emphsasis on your buddy Dave only supporting the local teams. See, it's funny like that in some parts of the country. In East Tennessee for example, there are a lot of Dodgers fans. Doesn't make any sense to guys like us, but if you have no local team to support I guess, you kind of follow it down through the generations. That's how I became a Cowboys fan. By birth. That's how I became a Rangers fan too. BUT for the rest of us, it is usually whoever dad cheered for. Another example would be WestCoastSkins. I don't know the guy personally, but by the name I would have to believe he lives on the West coast right. Yet he is a Skins fan. Lance another example. He is a D.C. area Cowboys fan. You just never know.

Hell no. He's a longstanding Oriole's fan of course, since both of us are from Maryland. I like the O's too but Baseball was never my thang, and their owner is a douchebag.

One thing we can agree on. I hope the Celtics go out just like the Patriots did too, Red Sox also. I think Massachusetts should be given to the French... Queer bastards. You're ok as long as your not bashing on my Cowboys Redskins Guy. I really didn't mean to get you worked up there. I know how it is trying to look for stuff and finish writing a comment at the same time. I just noticed that and thought I would bring it to you attention. I do the same thing a lot.--- Dave isn't a Red Sox fan is he?

It's not planned. I had to go look up the stats for Pac Man, so I wrote the first post and then did my research before opening my fool mouth. Sometimes I do it when one post is getting too long or if I'm responding to several different posts. I don't specifically do it against cowboys fans or anything. Not consciously anyway. :)

I'm not a big baseball fan, but I know my partner in crime Dave is. I've been enjoying Hockey, even though the Caps got knocked out in the first round. For basketball, I'm finding my loathing of the Patriots has carried over to the Celtics. I want to see them go down in flames. I know this isn't logical, but I can't really help it.

Redskins Guy, I have noticed that every time a Cowboys fan leaves a comment, you leave two comments. That is a little bizarre too. Is that planned or coincidental? ...I don't know about you guys, but I am ready for some cold beer and some baseball. This weekend isn't getting here soon enough. Any baseball fans in Washington?

By the way, I found it very weird that Pacman's stats on NFL.com and ESPN.com were listed under his nickname and not his real name. He was actually listed as Pacman Jones instead of Adam Jones. Am I the only one who finds this bizarre? Are we going to have to start looking up "The Bus" or "Jake the Snake" now?

The Vikings were in the process of waiving him. I don't know why they decided to waive him, but that was their decision and everyone knew it was coming because of the long 3-day weekend. All the other teams scrambled to try to get him off the waiver wire and the Redskins just spent the holiday talking to the Vikings. The Vikings basically got something for nothing since they were going to cut him anyway, much like the Titans got something for nothing because they (despite statements to the contrary) were never going to let Pacman back as a Titan. Hence the trade was for very little.

"One is an injury risk. One is a dumbass risk" It couldn't have been put it any better Redskins Guy, but in both situations it is virtually no risk. BOTH were good trades regardless of what the turn out is. One thing I was wandering though, Why did the Vikings give this guy up for so little? We all know why the Titans let PacMan go so easily, but what's up with James other than the injury risk? Anything? Did it have to do with his pay and the salary cap maybe?, because it seems that if he has so much potential they would keep him around.

There is no need to bash on a good trade WestCoastSkins. You see, like the Pacman situation, there is virtually no risk. It was a good trade. Scared...No, not really, but I think he has potential as does Pacman. But yet again, we all know what Pacman is capable of doing on the field. It's just that no one knows when or if he will be re-instated.

Damn I opened my mouth too soon, they are coming out of the woodworks now.

As for the James injury status. He tore his ACL and MCL. Anyone that has any clue about injuries knows that it takes two years to completely heal from that. He will be back on top of his game this year. Unfortunately we have to watch Rogers go through the same rehab James just finished.

Redsking Guy

Know matter how you try to spin it Pac Man was Elite thats What I Typed!! I Did Not Say He was an Elite Corner! He was an Elite returning specialist, and not a bad corner.

This guy has huge potential and was already establishing himself and an up and coming DE with 4 sacks in 9 starts his rookie year.

Nice try, but the guy's played in 8 total games in the two seasons after his rookie season. You aren't going to lose much in this trade, you're just going to get your hopes up on a trade for a position you should've addressed in the draft.

Pac Man might not be elite, but he's got tons of potential. Just out of curiousity skins guy, but did that poll include safeties? Plus, I'd think more about throwing in Pac Man's direction than I would for Smoot, Springs, Rogers, any of your corners.

And don't sum up the stats like that. Pac Man had 4 interceptions in 2006, which was more than any Redskin.

I'm looking at Pacman's stats. In two years (2005-06) he's had 4 interceptions 18 passes defended and 115 tackles. NFL.com ranked him #40 for defensive backs for 2006 and #54 in 2005. Is that really what Cowboys fans consider elite?

TDCowboys, both James and Jones were first round draft picks that never lived up to his potential. "Pacman was Elite"??? Don't make me laugh. He was elite when it comes to getting arrested. PacMan was NEVER an elite corner in the NFL. I remember many times he got completely burned during when he played. I'm not impressed. The only reason he's more famous than James is that he got arrested so many times and did crazy shit. Again, both were 1st round draft picks. One is an injury risk. One is a dumbass risk.

Well for your guys sake, I hope he doesn't get injured when playing the Eagles otherwise their city will need to be cleaned up after all the macabre celebrations. Nothing gets those guys more excited than death and brokens necks. Philadelphia IS the City of Brotherly Love right? Or maybe they take that too literally ;-)

Hahahah who is Uranus James?????? That answers why no Cowboys fans Care.
Comparing the no risk situation to the PacMan trade is somewhat simlar but Pacman was Elite, this guy is a WHO?, hence 7th round for a trade. Big Guys with Knee problems is never good. But Congrats you guys should win the Super Bowl now

I noticed that too. You're absolutely right.

Take notice that no Cowboy fans are on here bashing us for making this trade like we do to them for Pacman. They know this guy is going to be something and they are afraid.

redskin777us is right. I think the 3 day weekend is what made this possible. The paperwork couldn't go through on monday so everyone went to the waiver wire drooling. We, instead, went to the Vikings and made our move. Go Skins!

I think this was a great move, hopefully James can make the team and remain healthy. If so, not bad to have rotational help on the D-Line from a 7th round pick. If he doesn't make the team, then we loose nothing. Heck even if we stashed him on the PUP list for a season and seriously rehabilitate him, for a 7th rounder what do we really loose out of it?

More time than not, players drafted in the 7th round face a severe challenge of making an NFL roster. Once in a while a player drafted there is a "late bloomer" and can go on to stellar careers. More times than not, they are journeymen at best. Great move front office!

Redskins.com reported that James had originally been cut by the Vikings. The Vikings then rescinded the move. Clearly, Cerrato worked this out with them to resign James and then trade him. Cerrato is not the side-kick baffoon many of the Snyder bashers will try to lead you to believe. Deft move Vinny!!!

Excellent trade. This guy has huge potential and was already establishing himself and an up and coming DE with 4 sacks in 9 starts his rookie year. Lets just hope the knee injuries are behind him. Palmero will bring out the best in him again.

I'm not an Erasmus James fan, never have been, but if I were in a position where I wanted to acquire him, then I have to agree. This is a great low-risk way to do it.